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Shiva and Aghora status retconned
« le: 19 juin 2011 à 08:42:21 »
In the TV series they never said their rank. The Jump Gold Selection 2 defines Aghora as a Silver Saint though.

The Andromeda Box (2004) doesn't mention anything about their rank on their description, and the final list excludes them from the Silver Saints.

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Shiva and Aghora status retconned
« Réponse #1 le: 06 juillet 2011 à 17:04:24 »
I thank for these two messages. I've stated to think this section wasn't attended.


As they're called Sonota Saint in that note, I'm afraid the issue'd be more tangled  than expected.
Sonota actually means "Autre". A thing could be "Other" than another for many reasons.

The first we could think is the material a Cloth 's made of. The hypermyth state the existence of saint not gold, silver or bronze.
We'd think for Sonota the same. Crystal saint, who's never called Bronze or Silver saint, is a Sonota saint actually.

But the "Other" 'd refer to the symbol of the Cloth. The regular saint have got its own constellation, the Sonota haven't. Their clothes're inspired from other, or nothing at all.
So what is the most appropriate interpretation? Let's have a look at the scheme of Sanctuary in Andromeda booklet.

sorry for the edits not in your language ^^;;;

At brief glance, it may look actually like the diagram of Tenkai pamphlet. But under the Staff Officer there aren't the "Saint Not in Constellation".
What's really written: SONOTA SAINT.
Because they share the same position, does it mean Sonota=Not in Const ???
Only a translation of the gloss below could confirm that, I'd appreciate much if somebody could provide a translation :)
But I can clearly see the kanji of "Saint not in Constellation", so we can be sure at 99%.

In the first booklet there's a page titled Sonota Saint, where we can see some of them:

But according to the new source quoted by archange in this and the previous topic we'd add: Docrates, Guilty, Jango, Leda, Spica, Lotus, Pavo. This last could be surprising, but we should consider a simple homonymy.
Shiva's Cloth takes inspiration from the Peacock, the national Indian bird (while Agora's from the national flower). We don't have to mix the animal with the constellation with the same name. There'll be a regular saint of Pavo, of course! dunno if bronze, silver or what else.
But Shiva is a Sonota saint, not in constellation; his totem may resemble the animal but ;)
The same embroilment with Dolphin, you 'd think he had all the cards on the table to be a regular saint, but he definitely isn't.


The real hot problem is another. Archange remarked in the other thread Arachne is between the silver saint. He's the only filler saint who isn't listened as a Sonota>>Not in Cost.
?!?!?!?
What we have to decide is if the status of silver is inconsistent with the one of Sonota. If the answer you give is no, I'm afraid you're gonna erase him from the article, even though the whole argumentation on the absence of a constellation mentioned in the same booklet.
:-/ That's contradictory!

Imho they're just different kind of classification, on the material and on the symbol.
For example, in the scheme in the first Jump Gold Selection they're distributed according their task in the Sanctuary. Docrates is Shihei Saint and Sonota at the same time. I wouldn't say the second retcons the first definition ;) LOL
It goes without saying that who compiled these booklets had taken in consideration  only the tv show itself, where just Arachne is declared a silver. They don't confirm the JGS source, but you'd say they neither contradicting it as well...
eh, eh, so what do you think?

 

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