Perso je ne comprends pas ce rejet de Terminator 4, je l'aime beaucoup, moi...
les incohérences, soit, je peux comprendre, même si perso, je regarde le film sans passer mon temps à me dire "ça, ça ne va pas" "ça, c'est pas possible" etc... Quant à la fin... ça c'est ton avis personnel.
Et questions incohérences, un exemple?
Puis les logiques de voyage dans le temps de Terminator, hein...Moi j'ai beaucoup aimé Salvation, les facilités scénaristiques sont pas pires que la moyenne des films hollywoodiens (et si on devait crier aux incohérences, c'est clairement pas celui-ci qui viendrait en premier).
Major Plot hole: The Machines lure John Connor to enter Skynet's main base to save his dad. They then trap him inside the base with the first T-800. Why they didn't leave more than 1 terminator in the entire base will never be known. Major Plot hole: The T-800's method of killing is to toss John Connor across various rooms. He could simply have crushed his head/neck.Major Plot hole: At the end of the fight, The T-800 impales John Connor with a big metal stick the diameter of a melon. It completely destroys his heart. He is still able to survive until his heart transfusion a couple of hours later.Super Plot hole: The mythology of time-travel in Terminator's Universe says that if someone kills your future father: you will also die. Halfway through the movie, Skynet captures Kyle Reese (their top target) and then creates a complex plan to lure John Connor inside a base in order to kill him. They could simply have killed his future father.---Soon after being captured, the Terminators identify Reese. We know this because we go into Terminator-Vision, and see text along the lines of “Identified: Kyle Reese.”So then the Terminator shoots Reese in the head and the movie is over and the machines win, right?Nah. That would be too easy. Instead, they put the kid in a private cell and use him as bait for Connor…neglecting the fact (which they seem to know) that Connor would go “poof” if they pointed a gun at him and pulled the friggin’ trigger.Maybe Skynet doesn’t understand that killing the good guys without some elaborate time-travel scheme is as effective as sending Arnold Schwarzenegger back to the ’80′s…Or maybe the movie is just dumb and makes no sense.
I’m ruining the whole movie when I say that Marcus Wright turns out to be an agent of SkyNet. He has been sent by the master machine to lead John Connor into the lion’s den. It was subconscious programming; Wright didn’t even know he was doing it.Except for one small problem. No action taken by Marcus Wright in any way leads to the completion of this mission. He randomly runs into Kyle Reese…an accident completely out of his (and SkyNet’s) control. When the machines capture Reese, it’s another random accident. And meeting Blair, the sexy soldier who brings Marcus to John Connor…yeah, that’s a random occurrence, too.marcusfaceoffThe only small act that could be considered “Marcus fulfilling his mission” is that he informs Connor that Reese has been captured. Once that information is revealed, it’s a given that Connor will stop at nothing to save his father. And this piece of information is obtained and revealed based solely on uncontrollable chance.Nice programming, SkyNet…I guess you installed the “unbelievable coincidence” chip in your agent of evil, forcing him to do your bidding based solely on random chance.So really, the only purpose Marcus Wright, the main character of the movie, serves is to let John Connor know that Reese has been captured. That could have been done with a radio transmission sent directly by SkyNet.
L´excuse du "C´est pire ailleurs ailleurs" n´a jamais été un argument recevable.
Quant aux logiques liées aux voyages dans le temps, ce n'est pas une mauvaise fois de dire que c'est incohérent depuis le 1e film
Je conteste pour le premier film : dans le premier film on était dans une boucle parfaite, ça se tenait très bien.
Ils savent que Kyle est important pour Connor, mais savent-ils que c'est son père ?-Sergorn
Si on accepte l'idée que John Connor ait pu envoyer dans le passé celui qui l'a procréé...
Dans T4, Skynet sait que Kyle est le père de Connor.
C'est le principe de la boucle. Je vais pas refaire l'explication que j'ai faite sur le topic ND. C'est dit explicitement dans le film ? (Question sérieuse, je m'en souviens plus du tout ).-Sergorn
C'est le principe de la boucle. Je vais pas refaire l'explication que j'ai faite sur le topic ND.