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Re : Re : Re : [Saintia Shô] Volume 14 (chapitres 66 à 72)
Je m'explique : la trahison que je ressens (c'est une perception personnelle), c'est par rapport au noyau, au cœur de la saga Saint Seiya, c'est-à-dire le manga originel et ND. Kurumada a attribué un fils adoptif au couple Shiryû-Shunrei (déjà pas un fils biologique, hein, en réaction au Ryuhô de Omega, alors que la conception et l'existence de ce dernier paraissaient tout à fait logiques et cohérentes ; à croire que la seule idée qu'un Saint puisse faire un bébé lui pose un problème), mais ce n'est pas ça qui empêche Shiryû de retourner au combat. Les Saints de Kurumada évoluent de plus en plus dans une sphère à part de celle du commun des mortels et mènent une vie tout aussi à part. Du coup, un mariage (potentiel,  je l'admets, c'est peut-être un rêve, une réalité alternée, une mise en scène, un cauchemar ou une crise de delirium  [:dawa]) me parait comme complètement décalé. En somme, pour moi ça ne colle pas à l'ambiance Saint Seiya, où on mène des combats titanesques qui mettent en jeu l'existence de l'humanité et/ou la vie d'Athéna.
This criticism is legit. Especially since Mii is sometimes considered Shiryu's saintia counterpart.

The story released in magazine  didn't convince me, the weakest episode of the battles of the saintia in Eden.
This guy jumped out of nowhere, an important bond with Mii, when her character has been built completely in relation to Saori.

The publication in volume has changed many dialogues, now the purpose of the author seems clear to me. It doesn't depart too much from kurumada, imho.

Pictures and the script in English by LGG can be read here, in cdz.com.br forum:
http://www.cdz.com.br/forum/topic/12146-saintia-sho-volume-14/page-3

Now, there 're actually two flower of oath! The lily is the flower that has always been associated to Mii, was the oath she made to Saori, as a saintia.
Edelweiss is the flower Edward send her, symbolizes the oath they made when young.

Both flowers are related to purity (Edel - weiss = noble purity).
But the Lily is named in Japanease "Yuri", and I don't think I have to explain what is a yuri relation between girls....

On the other side, the edelweiss, the proof of love by a man to his beloved. " grows on the most inaccessible cliffs of the Tyrolese mountains, where the chamois dare hardly venture, and which the hunter, tempted by its beauty and by his love (for it is immensely valued by the Swiss maidens), climbmivas the cliffs to gather, and is sometimes found dead at the foot, with the flower in his hand. " - Ralph Waldo Emerson

By choosing this flower, she would not become the heroine of her story, but a happy bride.
But ultimately she chooses Saori.
And Edward the boy comes to an atrocious end.  [:aie]


Of course, the motivations are very different from Shiryu, peace on earth, the way of the warrior... It's really lov.. devotion to Saori.
But Olivia once said the scope of saintia are not the battles, but to stay close to Athena's heart, whatever it means.


19 septembre 2020 à 11:45:54
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Re : Twitter, Facebook, ... Les nouveaux outils de communication des créateurs de StS I agree with hugo, but as my tweet was quoted, let me tell Telescopium this whole affair has nothing to do with lost in translation and cultural barriers.
You have posted by yourself the original message where he shows the author how low where the ranking of last volume and call the fandom of saintia pathetic.
He even posted the picture of the dryad of Ruin, LOL maybe this last wasn’t intentional.  [:lol]
The whole concern about piracy appears as an afterthought, self-indulgence.

One can’t be serious if he he claims that sales of Saintia are low in Japan because the Japanese prefer to come in forum and read the Spanish scanlation.
Piracy is huge problem when it comes to animation, big sales manga and the release of raws actually where an alternative for the consumer, especially in the period when streaming and digital manga service  weren’t very widespread.

For niche works the circulation of information may keep up the interest .
SSN knows that, because he comes from the era of TLC weekly chapter. Can you rember?    [:kyuuu]
It was the time of the tiny textual spoiler in 2ch, fakes, random pictures, long spoiler, archange’s translation, trevor’s blog, chinese scanlations before the actual raws,….
Tell me that was a dark period and that almost destroyed the popularity of Lost Canvas...

And the guy behind SSN was of course into this spoiler hunting, along with his competitor Uranus , a member who posted in this forum too, someone may remember.
There was this rivalry in posting info for first.
But Uranus was for condivision outside; I remember a huge quarrel between them when Uranus posted here in a French forum the link of 2ch thread with the spoiler, as if it was a classified  State secret.  [:delarue3]
Oh man, what a crazy period!

All this just to explain any statement from this guy is super hypocritical.
He had this catfight with the girl of SKDscan and have the great idea to involve the japanese author. OMG  [:facepalm]

long catfight..

28 septembre 2020 à 11:59:15
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Re : Twitter, Facebook, ... Les nouveaux outils de communication des créateurs de StS Thank you for replying in English but, really, you all don't need to strive. [:dawa] With googletrad I managed understand quite well what you write.
I was asked to write in English, and I must obey or je serai exilé sur l'île maléfique de Geist par le Pape courant de charge...  [:haha_dm]


Chimaki Kuori's got an unusual behavior for an author, especially Japanese. I've never seen anything like it.
They usually they ignore all criticisms and offenses. Maybe they don't even read them.
Message from a fan pubblished on kurumada's blog:  [:lol]
"Apurate con Next Dimension vejo impotente!!!" kamiedo 16/8/28

Kuori spends a lot of time on twitter, I remember at the beginning he answered practically every message that was addressed to her.
Who sent a fanart, or just a compliment, who asked ten times for june appearing in the manga ...
But didn't just respond to flattering messages:a salty reply imho to a fan's accusation of making a bad remake of hades chapter..

This fan was none other the same guy of SSN.
There was another discussion between him and miss Kuori some month later :
@Johnssit  私の作品に対してどのように感じられてもかまいません。
ですが、こちらの記事への返信の中で、聖闘士星矢を生み出した車田正美先生の作品を軽んじる発言や、他のファンに対して失礼な発言は、やめて下さい。お願いします。
trad: It doesn't matter how you feel about my work. However, in replying to this article, please refrain from making disrespectful remarks about the work of Professor Masami Kurumada, who created Saint Seiya, or making rude remarks to other fans. Please.

This ignites the fuel of his anger for the saintia sho fandom.  >:( He thinks they don't deserve it, he justifies his superiority with the fact that he had spent a lot of money on lost canvas, buying all the Japanese DVDs.
I don't belittle it, but it can't be the only yardstick in the fandom.  ::)

First Kuori started her carreer as designer in adv (where the money really are), the passion moved her to mangas where she got the opportunity to work on some famous brand like gundam and SS. She's self-proclaimed fan #1 of SaintSeiya.
So I think the hundreds of supportive messages she's received on his twit matter as much as the copies sold, or ten more.
I think she really got mad fot the mischievous message of SSN, even though she later wrote that she didn't feel personally offended.

At the end I think these beavious from her, like not showing her face in pubblic too, shows a person not very self-confident and modest.

29 septembre 2020 à 12:20:53
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Re : Re : [Saintia Shô] Volume 15 (chapitres 73 à ??) BTW english script, kindly by LGG cdz.br.com :
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Sinon, je suppose que si  Chimaki n'a pas sortie de Black Saintias du Petit Cheval et de la Couronne Boréale ....c'est tout simplement pour ne pas faire redite avec Mania et Maria :o

Donc nos 3 Black Saintias seraient les assassins de Rebecca ? Son nom n'est jamais mentionné, mais c'est ce qui semble impliqué avec l'idée que Rebecca les as tuées par le passé pour se venger.
The black saintia of Corona borealis crown was perhaps in the author's intention.  [:lol]
I checked with respect to the eleventh volume.
While I was pleasantly surprised to find a perfect match between the silhouette and the dryad Androktasias.
That crazy long punk tuft.

But they were four!!!!!!!
Where's the missing?  :haha:

Continuity mistake.
Unless Rebecca manged to kill one of them.  And because of the pain for her missing partner, Layla started to eat and became bulimic.  [:trollface]


04 octobre 2020 à 12:06:43
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Re : [Saintia Shô] Volume 15 (chapitres 73 à ??) It was an addition to the tankobon release, so you only read scanlation online. Pirate! :haha:

Kuori in her twitter commenting about the witch appearing in Saintia chapter is adorable as the one on the cover of the magazine (Azarak reborn)  LOL

https://twitter.com/cmk_k/status/1317682666922143744

Close up thank to Allan Nicol - Taizen saint seiya :
https://www.facebook.com/TaizenSaintSeiya/


No Stage 78, intitulado "Flecha de Determinação", para ajudar Erda e as Saintias, Ryutos havia ido até Hécate, a Bruxa da Lua, a fim de saber como poderia usar os sapatos de Hermes para ir além do Templo da Lua. Ryutos está disposto a abrir mão da proteção de Ártemis e arriscar sua própria vida para ajudar Erda e as Saintias a enfrentar Fobos.


18 octobre 2020 à 11:02:15
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Les (nombreux) maîtres de Hyoga. In the other topic Moïra started a stimulating discussion about the Hyoga’s master. Without expanding the off-topic there, I decided to continue here.

There are two important interviews, I think little known here.
When Crystal Saint was released as myth cloth premium, there was a reportage on the magazine Figure Oh #109. Kozo Morishita explains the genesis of this filler saint.
Spoiler (click to show/hide)

A complete translation in Portoguese:
http://taizen-saintseiya.com/figure-oh-o-cavaleiro-de-cristal/
We learn when the first episode of the anime was broadcast, the production of the scripts had already reached the whole plot developed by Kurumada in manga (battle with Ikki).
In the script of ep 15 it has been determined the development of original characters, to expand the relationships: Docrates, Cassios’ brother.
Hyoga’s master was introduced in ep 17.

So these filler characters, sonota saint, were conceptualized when the silver saint didn't exist yet!
They are the result of a huge misunderstanding on the part of the producers of the anime.
Their early impression of Kurumada's story was that the constellation saints were attributable to Saori Kido (ten bronze saint and the golden cloth)
Whereas the enemies from the Sanctuary were something different.
They weren’t  saint of constellation.

Therefore the fact that Docrates & Co didn’t present themselves with the name of a constellation was not something agreed with Kurumada, to avoid duplication with saint that he wanted to introduce later, likely.
We’d say that there was really NO interchange with kurumada at this stage.

As ridiculous as it may sound us, Arles wasn’t supposed to have any Perseus saint, or Taurus, under his orders.
He has other kind of saints….. (sonota)


So Crystal was the true first master of Hyoga.
Was Scorpio saint, from WSJ prepubblication, his second master? The user Moïra was also speculating if Milo was supposed to be Hyoga’s master since his debut with Aioria at the Pope's audience.

The answer is no. Masami planned something different.
 We know from another interview he gave for a Japanese magazine “Pafu”.
It was published on 13th April 1987, just a couple of day before in Jump was published the infamous chapter with Scorpio sinking the boat of Hyoga’s mother in Syberia.
But you have to take in account the interview was recorded before.

It has to be after 24th February anyway, because the interviewer make a reference to SHAKA gaiden. It was pubblished along with regular chapter where Aioria confronts the Pope and Virgo gets in the way.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)
Spanish translation here:
https://www.ssnextdimension.com/entrevistas/pafu-1987/

Kurumada states that he would like to write more gaiden about the protagonists, like Hyoga and his master he annihilated  "qu'il a anéanti ..."

Hyoga’s master was already dead!  [:blessure2]  [:hyosad]
As much incredible as it may sound, this revelation perfectly aligns with the incipit of the manga.
We don’t see his teacher nowhere in Siberia. Hyoga claims to be already a saint, but he needs the  letter from the Santuary to retrieve his cloth.  [:fufufu]

Imho it look much like Ikki’s backstory, he killed Guilty to become saint.
Maybe the repetitiveness could have made Kurumada change his mind about the fate of the Hyoga’s master.
But it must be taken into account too in that time span (march ‘87) the episodes 20 and 21 aired in TV, Hyoga fights Crystal Saint.

As we ‘d agree Kurumada took inspiration from that episode for Pope’s genromaoken to resolve the stall beetween Aioria and Shaka, then he’s moved from his idea of a dead master.
It’s more emotional if it takes place in the present.

In case there're still doubts, I suggest you read another question from this interview in which Masami denies any interference by him in the anime adaptation, so far.

Hope this have clarified , Moïra. ;)

28 octobre 2020 à 09:58:10
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Re : Re : [Saintia Shô] Volume 16 (chapitres 79? à ??)
C’est Aiolia qui se retrouvent encore en face de Sagares ??

Elle aurait pu au moins se débrouiller pour mettre un autre gold comme Alde par exemple.
Aldebaran is trying to not be killed by the five years old new dryads  [:onion laule]

ライズ(戯言)のフセウドス
 
: 技:ミリアドウライズ
 
: 幼女体の邪精霊。偽りの涙を見せアルデバランの隙を突くも返り討ちに遭う。


Oh no, everything is ok.  [:nicenice]
Aldebaran winning the first opponent is not very much canonical with kurumada's canon  [:trollface] bad bad

19 décembre 2020 à 10:17:16
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Re : Re : Re : [Saintia Shô] Volume 16 (chapitres 79? à ??)
La petite nouvelle est フセウドス de 戯言 (ライズ)....et je vous avoue que j'ai bien du mal à traduire tout ça [:aie]

Pas d'enfant d'Eris avec un nom matchant plus ou moins "Fuseudos".

Quant au "totem", les katakanas semblent se lire "rise" (mot anglais) tandis que les kanjis signifient "non-sens / discours idiot / radotage".[/spoiler]
Thanks, very likely it's typo for the true Eris' offspring プセウドスたち (虚言) Pseudea ("Lies")

19 décembre 2020 à 10:46:26
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Re : Saint Seiya : Meiouiden Dark Wing (19/12/20) spoiler 2nd chapter:

https://twitter.com/XITHEFROG/status/1351184036694253570
(sorry he just private his account)

一度死んで生まれ変わった冥闘士は本来自分の使命、カの使い方、戦い方を全部理解して目覚める
翔一郎は覚醒率が低い
 ハーテスとアテナは最近まで地上を取り合う戦争をせずに過ごしていた
アテナはかって冥界を滅ぼし、ハーデスはエリシオンに移住した
ハーデスは才能を持った死者に冥闘士の 「星魂(セイコン)」を宿して復活させている
1話の船の爆発はアテナが世界各地で行っている「 浄化の」


brutally google translated:

Once dead and reborn, a specter wakes up after understanding all of his mission, how to use ka, and how to fight.
Shoichiro has a low awakening rate.
 Until recently, Hades and Athena spent their time without a war on the ground.
Athena once destroyed the underworld, and Hades emigrated to Elysion.
Hades is reviving talented deads as specter "Star Soul"
The explosion of the ship in episode 1 is Athena's "Purification Flame" all over the world.


Yoruhime>Pandora
Zhu Chūnfēng >Harpie, l'étoile céleste de la lamentation

Sôjirô > Gemox  [:kukuku]
Cattleya>Athena

https://twitter.com/XITHEFROG/status/1351183004065001475
 

18 janvier 2021 à 18:36:56
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Re : Saint Seiya : Meiouiden (Hades Another Story) ~ Dark Wing  [:petrus yes] First spoiler from ch 3.
From the same guy told us Zhu=Harpy etc last time, he updated the charcter list, so we now two gold saint:
https://twitter.com/XITHEFROG/status/1362417328869183489/photo/1
[:kiki2] Theseus Gabras  Aries saint

 [:sbear] Aiolos Sagittarius

if you wonder it's just namesake, by this other jap comment it looks like he's the true Aiolos we know. LOL
@yoko_sg30
ダークウィング
アイオロスが射手座の黄金聖闘士アイオロスとして出てきたんだけど、双子座の聖闘士はサガじゃないからロスサガ好きとしてはめちゃくちゃもやもやしてしまう……アイオロス出てきたのはちょっと嬉しいけど……
変に原作キャラ入れてくるなら、全員原作キャラにしてスターシステムとして出して欲しかったな。ダークウィングのオリキャラと原作キャラ混ぜるのなんかめちゃくちゃモヤモヤしてしまう。愚痴ですみません。
もしかしてアイオロスは原作世界で早々に死んでしまっているから、このダークウィングの世界に異世界転生して、また射手座の黄金聖闘士アイオロスとして世界を守ってるってこと!?それはそれで辛い……
アイオロスのスーツ姿が見られたのはめちゃくちゃ嬉しいです!!まさか派生作品とはいえ、推しのスーツ姿を拝めるとは思わなかった!アイオロスのスーツ姿と不敵な笑み、めちゃくちゃかっこいい!!


20 février 2021 à 10:54:03
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