on vient d'avoir un taux d'abstention à 52%
Au hasard: parce que ça fait longtemps que ça n'a plus aucune espèce d'intérêt?
edit : NUPES conteste les chiffres.
Scholz qui appelle les Espagnols pour leur interdire de filer des tanks (achetés à l'Allemagne) aux Ukrainiens... Ils veulent vraiment retrouver leur putain de gaz le plus vite possible... On n'est pas beaucoup mieux à cause de Macron mais au moins les Caesar qu'on leur a filé leurs servent très bien et efficacement. Quand ce conflit aura pris fin on va se retrouver avec une UE divisée en deux avec d'un côté les salauds d'Occidentaux plus préoccupés par leur aisance matérielle et de l'autre des Orientaux galvanisés qui se serreront les coudes et bloqueront tout ce qu'on pourra proposer.
Non, c'est le gouvernement espagnol qui rechigne. Fake news des médias ukrainiens, qui font beaucoup dans la culpabilisation.
Ben tiens, qu'est-ce que je disais hier qu'ils allaient contester les chiffres comme des petites Trumpistes
Petite avancée dans la lutte contre la prolifération des armes à feu aux USA.
Pas sûr, j'ai vu des mentions d'un article du Spiegel qui évoquait ça (je ne suis pas assez bon en teuton pour le lire ).
False, it's Spain going back on its promiseThe actual article from Der Spiegel doesn't talk about Germany blocking it at allThe only thing it actually proves is that there's talks in NATO about sending modern tanks to Ukraine but no actual decisions
Nah, don't blame Spain, the problem is the actual governmentWell, more really that our balance of power and consensus for politics are nutsFor example, the last month our president, unilaterally and without telling opposition, coalition members or even his own party, changed all the international politic that the country hag about Morocco, Algeria and the Sahara, politic that developed for about 50 yearsHe destroyed in a blink a fucking consensus we had as a country since the creation of our democracyWell, in reality you could blame Spain, or at least Spanish politicians, because they are the ones who are guilty. Here reaching consensus with the other side is understood as a failure and the political spectrum is so heavily polarised that the things that one side does are guaranteed to be changed when the other side takes the power, being them good or bad. People here don't understand that democratic "opposition" doesn't mean to be against everything your rival proposesAdd to that a narcissistic president with a touch of a psychopath and you obtain the fucking mess our country already is xDDDDThe piece itself, translated with Deeptranslate (I don't know german):"Margarita Robles squirmed. The Spanish Defence Minister was supposed to explain to a TV station on Monday whether it was true what the daily newspaper "El País" had reported at the weekend: the Spanish government wanted to send old Leopard tanks of German manufacture to Kiev.Leopard tanks to Ukraine? So now after all?Robles, it quickly became clear, did not want to confirm this under any circumstances. In Madrid, it had long been understood how explosive the report was. After all, the German government had ruled out the delivery - on the grounds, of all things, that no other Nato partner was supplying such tanks. At least so far.Finally, the Spanish defence minister said that Spain would continue to support the Ukrainians within the framework of its own capacities - always in coordination with its partners, of course. Otherwise, unfortunately, "maximum discretion" had to be maintained, after all, Vladimir Putin was threatening retaliation.A denial did not cross Robles' lips. It seems that the government would prefer to keep quiet about the report in Spain's largest newspaper.In Berlin, the reports from Madrid already caused some hectic telephone calls over the weekend. Since the German government would have to approve the delivery of German-made Leopard tanks in any case, the matter would have a huge political dimension. For Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who has refused for months to supply Ukraine with the Leopard tanks requested, the Spanish offer could also become quite unpleasant.Hectic telephone callsFirst of all, the Ministry of Defence became active. In the house of Christine Lambrecht (SPD), a small situation centre led by a general has been trying for weeks to coordinate German arms assistance. At the same time, the military is trying to keep an eye on the various delivery announcements of other states. In the meantime, this is no longer so easy.Part 1/3From Spain, however, the Germans now received rather cautious signals after the reports of the weekend. Through its military contacts, the Ministry of Defence learned that no decision had yet been made in Madrid on the tank delivery. Instead, the Spanish colleagues groaned that the publication of the vague plans in "El País" came at an inopportune time. So far, the process has not even been coordinated within the government.Unidas Podemos, the left-wing alternative coalition partner of Socialist Pedro Sánchez, is generally against arms deliveries to Ukraine, but is being studiously ignored by the Socialists. Internally, the German interlocutors confirmed, there are indeed plans to deliver 10 to 15 Leopard tanks to Ukraine.For Sánchez, the delivery makes sense above all in terms of domestic policy. Most recently, the Ukrainian ambassador had accused the Spanish government of supplying too few weapons. The ammunition Madrid had sent, he said, was only enough for two hours. Ukraine urgently needs Leopard battle tanks and F18 fighter jets - and Spain can supply them. The conservative press seized on the criticism from Kiev and also reported that although Sánchez had grandiloquently announced a delivery of 200 tonnes of war material in April - when the Ukrainians opened the containers they allegedly found, among other things, a lot of winter boots.For Sánchez, Ukraine's verbal attacks are particularly unpleasant. In June, the Nato states will meet in Madrid to discuss the Ukraine war. Sánchez wants to make his mark at the summit and recommend his countrymen for re-election. Disturbing noises from Kiev would be inconvenient. Now he is - at least for a while - no longer the brakeman. Apparently he even wants to train Ukrainian soldiers in Spain.Part 2Olaf Scholz and Pedro Sánchez during the Chancellor's inaugural visit in January Photo: Michael Kappeler / dpaIf the ideas actually become more concrete, Berlin is likely to be forced into action. As with all arms exports, including to Nato partners, the German-made Leopards are subject to a so-called end-use declaration. Spain must therefore first get the green light from Germany if it wants to give the tanks to Ukraine. According to reports, 10 to 15 Leopard 2A4 tanks are involved, which were sold to Spain as part of a larger delivery.The Spanish military is not currently using the tanks. According to "El País", they have been standing in a military base in northern Spain for ten years. In the dry climate of Zaragoza, at the foot of the Pyrenees, they can be stored particularly well. Sensitive materials such as oil and batteries have been removed. Restoring the tanks would probably take some time, however. The German government is now well acquainted with similar situations. Even before the war began, the government came under pressure because Estonia wanted to deliver old GDR weapons systems, which it had taken over from the Bundeswehr years ago, to Ukraine. In this case, Berlin hesitated for quite a long time and received considerable criticism from abroad. Later, the Netherlands also made similar requests, this time for German-made anti-tank weapons. The request, made two days after the start of the war, triggered a kind of chain reaction in Berlin. Shortly afterwards, the decision was taken to supply weapons itself.No export request from Spain so farCould a possible request from Spain trigger a similar effect? The responsible Federal Ministry of Economics has not yet received an official export application from Spain, but the ministry of Robert Habeck (Greens) says that no export application to Ukraine has yet been decided negatively. Even in the case of a possible request for Leopard systems from Spain, this line would probably remain unchanged. However, Habeck cannot decide the matter on his own; this would have to be done in the Federal Security Council. By consensus.So the most important question is how Olaf Scholz will behave. So far, the Chancellor has always rejected the delivery of modern battle tanks, citing the fact that no partner state has so far delivered new tanks to Ukraine. Instead, the principle of a ring exchange is practised: Eastern European states deliver their tanks, which were still manufactured in Russia, to Ukraine and receive modern replacements from Germany and other partners. There was such a deal with the Czech Republic, for example.The idea from Spain could now cause movement in the German government. The first voices are already coming out of the coalition government, saying that the green light should be given for the Leopard tanks from Spain. "I very much hope that Federal Minister of Economics Robert Habeck will immediately give the go-ahead for the export," the influential FDP politician Marie-Agnes Strack-Zimmermann told SPIEGEL. The chairwoman of the defence committee said she expected a quick decision. "We have no time for debates. In view of the heavy Russian artillery attacks on Ukrainian targets, haste is called for."Part 3The issue could play out on the big political stage next week at the latest. On the sidelines of the Nato defence ministers' meeting in Brussels, the US has invited Ukraine supporters to a separate round. The discreet meeting was supposed to be about the US demand to equip Ukraine very quickly with missiles with which President Selensky's army can attack Russian ships. Now, however, the ministers are likely to be faced once again with the difficult question of whether they should not also soon deliver modern battle tanks to Ukraine. Part 4PD: Fuck, it was long, but TheKyivIndependent was terribly sensationalist in this one: Neither Spain and Germany are "blocking" nothing here, but things go way slower that Ukrainians would like. At least that's my interpretation of the wall of text. Sorry if I did wrong.
Ce qui est justement contredit par ce que j'ai lu, mais c'es du même tonneau que "Macron a dit que Zelensky devait céder du territoire".Spoiler (click to show/hide)Fuck, it was long, but TheKyivIndependent was terribly sensationalist in this one: Neither Spain and Germany are "blocking" nothing here, but things go way slower that Ukrainians would like. At least that's my interpretation of the wall of text. Sorry if I did wrong
Salauds de vieux qui comprennent rien et retardent le grand soir !
Euh, si, c'est toujours nécessaire de regarder le contexte.
Et puis je souhaiterais qu'on arrête de l'appeler Méluche. Si c'est une référence à Coluche, il mérite mieux que ça, malgré certaines choses contre lui.
Top, la classe, vraiment...
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